Oh Those Heel-clicks!
In case you missed the late-Thursday/early-Friday version of the Daily Show this week, Jon had a terrific interview with Rajiv Chandrasekaran, author of intriguing-sounding new book Imperial Life in the Emerald City. (No, it's not a day-to-day account of life in Seattle's exclusive Highlands neighborhood.)
This post at DownWithTyranny is almost as good as catching the show itself, at least if you have watched enough that you can conjure up images of Jon's highly expressive and impish face. I have reproduced most of the post here, but encourage you to check out the site:
Rajiv Chandrasekaran, now an assistant managing editor of the Washington Post, spent 18 months in Iraq reporting for the paper. He has written what sounds like a real "nuts 'n' bolts" kind of book, Imperial Life in the Emerald City: Inside Iraq's Green Zone, focusing on the civilian occupation effort.
He was the guest on last night's Daily Show. Announcing this at the top of the show, Jon Stewart explained:
He is the author of the new book Imperial Life in the Emerald City, a blistering expose on The Wizard of Oz. No, actually it's about life in the Green Zone of Iraq, where our current exit strategy is also a fast clicking of our heels three times.
When interview time came, and Rajiv was brought out, Jon first held the book up.
JON STEWART: The book is called Imperial Life in the Emerald City: Inside Iraq's Green Zone.
The Americans had a plan when they toppled Saddam Hussein: to take over an area inside Baghdad, wall it off, and to operate the country from inside that bunker. How could that fail to work?
RAJIV CHANDRASEKARAN [laughing]: It was a brilliant plan, right? A seven-square-mile enclave, they could go in there, refill Saddam's swimming pools, set up some bars, a disco, a couple of Chinese restaurants, a cafe, a gymnasium. They'd have Bible study classes, salsa dancing classes. To get around, Halliburton would bring in dozens of Suburbans so they could drive around. Perfect plan.
JON: It seemed like something from Dr. Strangelove, what you describe, this idea of . . . there was this sort of Little America, but not even Little America, sort of like this eccentric city that had no . . . it was like a floating crap game. How did they insulate themselves in that way? Why did they insulate themselves in that way?
RAJIV: They wanted all the comforts of home. You know, Iraq was the big bad world on the outside, and they felt that they were going to this strange place--in fact, half of the people who went to work for the Coalition Provisional Authority, they had to apply for their first passport in order to go to Iraq. And so these guys hadn't been out and about in the world, and so they wanted a little bit of down-home cooking, down-home recreation.
JON: You write this incredible story of the guys who were going to rebuild some infrastructure. They brought three guys. The Germans had accomplished the same task in East Germany, and how many guys did they bring again?
RAJIV: 8000.
JON: Does that speak to the Germans' laziness?
RAJIV: Yes, you know the Germans aren't a very efficient people. They're bloated. We're efficient. We're lean, mean Americans. We're going to do a job that those Germans can do with 8000 with three guys.
JON: How could we be criminally wrong for that long? And it's out in book after book after book, documentation. Why is Halliburton allowed to continue there? Why was the Coalition Provisional Authority allowed to continue there? You write about, in job interviews people were asked who they voted for . . .
RAJIV: It was a real political litmus test. You would have thought, given the challenges of trying to get Iraq back up on its feet, we would have sent the best and the brightest. We sent the loyal and the willing, instead of getting people who were Arabic speakers, or people who had some experience in the Middle East, or in post-conflict reconstruction. Instead they wanted good, loyal Republicans.
So they scoured Republican offices on Capitol Hill, conservative think tanks, and just to make sure that they got them, in the interviews at the Pentagon before they went over, people were asked, "Did you vote for George W. Bush in the 2000 election?" "Are you a member of the Republican Party?" And some, as I detail in the book, were even asked for their views on things like Roe vs. Wade.
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RAJIV: I think this is a big reason it went wrong. You know, we know so well now the disastrous consequences of failing to send enough troops--to protect Iraq, to prevent the looting, to deal with the insurgency in those early months.
What I write in this book is that there was a whole other set of mistakes that were made that are just as responsible for getting us into the mess that we find ourselves in today. And those were the goofs, the mistakes made by the American civilians, who ensconced themselves inside this bubble in the Green Zone.
JON: Who were the adults that were there? Were there adults there? Was it Lord of the Flies? Not even Lord of the Flies . . .
RAJIV: We've gone from extremes. We had these 20-year-old kids in Baghdad, and now we have the octogenarians of the Iraq Study Group helping to lead us along. But you know, seriously, we sent a 24-year-old kid out there who had never worked in the financial industry in this country--out there to reopen the Stock Exchange. We sent a 21-year-old kid who hadn't even graduated from college to join the team rebuilding Iraq's Interior Ministry. I don't have to tell you how important that is. The guy boasted to an interviewer that his most meaningful job before going to Baghdad was as an ice cream truck driver. We took a guy . . .
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This post at DownWithTyranny is almost as good as catching the show itself, at least if you have watched enough that you can conjure up images of Jon's highly expressive and impish face. I have reproduced most of the post here, but encourage you to check out the site:
Rajiv Chandrasekaran, now an assistant managing editor of the Washington Post, spent 18 months in Iraq reporting for the paper. He has written what sounds like a real "nuts 'n' bolts" kind of book, Imperial Life in the Emerald City: Inside Iraq's Green Zone, focusing on the civilian occupation effort.
He was the guest on last night's Daily Show. Announcing this at the top of the show, Jon Stewart explained:
He is the author of the new book Imperial Life in the Emerald City, a blistering expose on The Wizard of Oz. No, actually it's about life in the Green Zone of Iraq, where our current exit strategy is also a fast clicking of our heels three times.
When interview time came, and Rajiv was brought out, Jon first held the book up.
JON STEWART: The book is called Imperial Life in the Emerald City: Inside Iraq's Green Zone.
The Americans had a plan when they toppled Saddam Hussein: to take over an area inside Baghdad, wall it off, and to operate the country from inside that bunker. How could that fail to work?
RAJIV CHANDRASEKARAN [laughing]: It was a brilliant plan, right? A seven-square-mile enclave, they could go in there, refill Saddam's swimming pools, set up some bars, a disco, a couple of Chinese restaurants, a cafe, a gymnasium. They'd have Bible study classes, salsa dancing classes. To get around, Halliburton would bring in dozens of Suburbans so they could drive around. Perfect plan.
JON: It seemed like something from Dr. Strangelove, what you describe, this idea of . . . there was this sort of Little America, but not even Little America, sort of like this eccentric city that had no . . . it was like a floating crap game. How did they insulate themselves in that way? Why did they insulate themselves in that way?
RAJIV: They wanted all the comforts of home. You know, Iraq was the big bad world on the outside, and they felt that they were going to this strange place--in fact, half of the people who went to work for the Coalition Provisional Authority, they had to apply for their first passport in order to go to Iraq. And so these guys hadn't been out and about in the world, and so they wanted a little bit of down-home cooking, down-home recreation.
JON: You write this incredible story of the guys who were going to rebuild some infrastructure. They brought three guys. The Germans had accomplished the same task in East Germany, and how many guys did they bring again?
RAJIV: 8000.
JON: Does that speak to the Germans' laziness?
RAJIV: Yes, you know the Germans aren't a very efficient people. They're bloated. We're efficient. We're lean, mean Americans. We're going to do a job that those Germans can do with 8000 with three guys.
JON: How could we be criminally wrong for that long? And it's out in book after book after book, documentation. Why is Halliburton allowed to continue there? Why was the Coalition Provisional Authority allowed to continue there? You write about, in job interviews people were asked who they voted for . . .
RAJIV: It was a real political litmus test. You would have thought, given the challenges of trying to get Iraq back up on its feet, we would have sent the best and the brightest. We sent the loyal and the willing, instead of getting people who were Arabic speakers, or people who had some experience in the Middle East, or in post-conflict reconstruction. Instead they wanted good, loyal Republicans.
So they scoured Republican offices on Capitol Hill, conservative think tanks, and just to make sure that they got them, in the interviews at the Pentagon before they went over, people were asked, "Did you vote for George W. Bush in the 2000 election?" "Are you a member of the Republican Party?" And some, as I detail in the book, were even asked for their views on things like Roe vs. Wade.
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RAJIV: I think this is a big reason it went wrong. You know, we know so well now the disastrous consequences of failing to send enough troops--to protect Iraq, to prevent the looting, to deal with the insurgency in those early months.
What I write in this book is that there was a whole other set of mistakes that were made that are just as responsible for getting us into the mess that we find ourselves in today. And those were the goofs, the mistakes made by the American civilians, who ensconced themselves inside this bubble in the Green Zone.
JON: Who were the adults that were there? Were there adults there? Was it Lord of the Flies? Not even Lord of the Flies . . .
RAJIV: We've gone from extremes. We had these 20-year-old kids in Baghdad, and now we have the octogenarians of the Iraq Study Group helping to lead us along. But you know, seriously, we sent a 24-year-old kid out there who had never worked in the financial industry in this country--out there to reopen the Stock Exchange. We sent a 21-year-old kid who hadn't even graduated from college to join the team rebuilding Iraq's Interior Ministry. I don't have to tell you how important that is. The guy boasted to an interviewer that his most meaningful job before going to Baghdad was as an ice cream truck driver. We took a guy . . .
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